Time to remove the kid gloves with Red Roses
In the build up to England’s match against Scotland in the 2019 football World Cup, striker Toni Duggan called on fans and journalists to criticise her team when they underperformed.
At the time, the current Everton forward was playing for Barcelona in Spain where scathing rebukes were evenly distributed between men and women.
“[In Spain] when we lose we’re slated, the same as the men,” she said. “That’s the level the game is at. In the past, we might have lost a game [with England] and you get fans messaging you saying, ‘Ah, don’t worry, you’ve done well.'”
According to Duggan, harsh treatment – in the right context – was a marker of esteem, which is why recent comments by Ugo Monye about England’s Red Roses side must either be viewed as blinkered bias, or as a sign of disrespect.
A caveat first. Monye is a gem and does more to promote women’s rugby than most people, man or woman. Which is why his comments should not be interpreted with any malice. But, to give Monye the respect that he personally deserves as an important voice in the game, he needs calling out. In doing so perhaps we might shift the discourse around the Red Roses.
Speaking in the wake of England’s 48-0 drubbing of Italy in Parma, Monye declared them to be the best sports team “in any gender on the planet”. With a scoreline like the one procured on Italy’s own patch and a run of five consecutive Six Nations titles along with four grand slams, it’s difficult to make a counterargument. That is until you cast your gaze up towards the sport’s most glittering prize.
In each of the last two World Cup finals – in New Zealand in 2022 and Ireland in 2017 – England’s Roses wilted at the last challenge and went home with silver medals. On both occasions, their conquerors were the New Zealand Black Ferns who were able to stand up to England’s power game while stacking up enough points through their fizzing interplay.
Does that sound like the best team in the world? Can you imagine if there was a men’s team that dominated their continental competition only to succumb at the peak of the mountain? You don’t have to. Until Richie McCaw spearheaded a dynasty the All Blacks were roundly mocked for their inability to add to their solitary World Cup win. Now the derision is directed at an Irish side seemingly incapable of winning a knockout match.
Of course that doesn’t mean that the Red Roses aren’t currently the best team on the planet. Sure, one game in the Championship – as well as a WXV 1 crown obtained last year – is a small sample size. And on the evidence of that one game in the Championship, England don’t deserve a whole lot of praise. In fact, if we really wanted to give them their dues, they’d be universally lambasted.
Against Italy, Sarah Beckett’s poor discipline and accuracy at the breakdown saw her rightly red-carded on 11 minutes. For most of the piece Lark Atkin-Davies couldn’t find her jumpers at the line-out. Zoe Harrison apparently left her kicking boots at home until deep in the second half. Emily Scarratt – arguably the best women’s player of all time – served up absolute dross at inside centre, regularly getting in the way of backline moves, scuffing her passes and over-cooking needless cross-field kicks that floated out on the full.
Were it not for the brilliance of Ellie Kildunne at full-back, or the injection of class supplied by Holly Aitchison, England might have boarded a flight home with an embarrassing loss to their name.
Except that’s not true. No side in Europe can touch England. Their players have been moulded in a fully professional ecosystem for far longer than any of their competitors. They play in by far the best league in the world. Their supporters are passionate, knowledgeable and growing. Young girls can look to them and imagine themselves embarking on a career as a professional rugby player.
Italy are a long way behind on all metrics. Which is why England’s disjointed display should be downgraded further.
This might come across as overly harsh. The side has a new coach in John Mitchell. He’s an experienced tactician and will enter a home World Cup in 2025 as the favourite to raise the trophy. But this is his first tilt with a women’s side. Mitchell will have to adjust the way he communicates. For all their similarities there are still a few nuanced differences between the men’s and women’s games and the Kiwi coach will learn on the job.
Then there’s the loss of Sarah Hunter. Not only did her dynamism in the loose provide England go-forward – though 22-year-old Sadia Kabeya may yet have an even higher ceiling – the absence of Hunter’s leadership must be having an impact.
Marlie Packer is a titan. She’s as inspirational as Winston Churchill and as destructive as a tsunami. But those are big shoes to fill. Maybe even Packer needs a bit of time to bed in.
Monye isn’t entirely wrong. England are potentially the best sports team in the world of any gender. But until they wrest the World Cup from New Zealand’s grasp, and until they put together a string of complete performances from start to finish, they don’t deserve the honour.
We need to remove the kid gloves and hold them to a higher standard. It’s what their brilliance deserves.
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Ben Smith Springboks living rent free in his head 😊😂
67 Go to commentsGood to hear he would like to play the game at the highest level, I hadn’t been to sure how much of a motivator that was before now. Sadly he’s probably chosen the rugby club to go to. Try not to worry about all the input about how you should play rugby Joey and just try to emulate what you do on the league field and have fun. You’ll limit your game too much (well not really because he’s a standard athlete like SBW and he’ll still have enough) if you’re trying to make sure you can recycle the ball back etc. On the other hard, you can totally just try and recycle by looking to offload any and everywhere if you’re going to ground 😋
1 Go to commentsThis just proves that theres always a stat and a metric to use to justify your abilities and your success. Ben did it last week by creating an imaginary competition and now you did the same to counter his argument and espouse a new yardstick for success. Why not just use the current one and lets say the Boks have won 4 world cups making them the most successful world cup team. Outside of the world cup the All Blacks are the most successful team winning countless rugby championships and dominating the rankings with high win percentages. Over the last 4 years statistically the Irish are the best having the highest win rate and also having positive records against every tier 1 side. The most successful Northern team in the game has been England with a world cup title and the most six nations titles in history. The AB’s are the most dominant team in history with the highest win rate and 3 world cups. Lets not try to reinvent the wheel. Just be honest about the actual stats and what each team has been good at doing and that will be enough to define their level of success.
19 Go to commentsHow is 7’s played there? I’m surprised 10 or 11 man rugby hasn’t taken off. 7 just doesn’t fit the 15s dynamics (rules n field etc) but these other versions do.
7 Go to commentsPick Swinton at your peril A liability just like JWH from the Roosters Skelton ??? went missing at RWC
14 Go to commentsLike tennis, who have a ranking system, and I believe rugby too, just measure over each period preceding a world cup event who was the longest number one and that would be it. In tennis the number one player frequently is not the grand slam winner. I love and adore the All Blacks since the days of Ian Kirkpatrick when I was a kid in SA. And still do because they are the masters of running rugby and are gentleman on and off the field - in general. And in my opinion they have been the majority of the time the best rugby team in the world.
19 Go to commentsHaving overseas possessions in 2024 is absurd. These Frenchies should have to give the New Caledonians their freedom.
21 Go to commentsBell injured his foot didn’t he? Bring Tupou in he’ll deliver when it counts. Agree mostly but I would switch in the Reds number 8 Harry Wilson for Swinton and move Rob Valentini to 6 instead. Wilson is a clever player who reads the play, you can’t outmuscle the AB’s and Springboks, if you have any chance it’s by playing clever. Same goes for Paisami, he’s a little guy who doesn’t really trouble the likes of De Allende and Jordie Barrett. I’d rather play Carter Gordon at 12 and put Michael Lynagh’s boy at 10. That way you get a BMT type goalkicker at 10 and a playmaker at 12. Anyways, just my two cents as a Bok supporter.
14 Go to commentsThanks Brett, love your articles which are alway pertinent. It’s a difficult topic trying to have a panel adjudicating consistently penalties for red card issues. Many of the mitigating reasons raised are judged subjectively, hence the different outcomes. How to take away subjective opinions?
9 Go to commentsYes Sir! Surprising, just like Fraser would also have escaped sanction if he was a few inches lower, even if it was by accident that he missed! Has there really been talk about those sanctions or is this just sensational journalism? I stopped reading, so might have missed any notations.
9 Go to commentsAI is only as good as the information put in, the nuances of the sport, what you see out the corner of the eye, how you sum up in a split second the situation, yes the AI is a tool but will not help win games, more likely contribute to a loss, Rugby Players are not robots, all AI can do if offer a solution not the solution. AI will effect many sports, help train better golfers etc.
45 Go to commentsIt couldn’t have been Ryan Crotty. He wasn’t selected in either World Cup side - they chose Money Bill instead. And Money Bill only cared about himself, and that manager he had, not the team.
26 Go to commentsYawn 🥱 nobody would give a hoot about this new trophy. End of the day we just have to beat Ireland and NZ this year then they can finally shut up 🤐
19 Go to commentsTalking bout Ryan Crotty? Heard Crotty say in a interview once that SBW doesen't care about the team . He went on to say that whenever they lost a big game, SBW would be happy as if nothing happened, according to him someone who cares would look down.. Personally I think Crotty is in the wrong, not for feeling gutted but for expecting others 2 be like him… I have been a bad loser forever as it matters so much to me but good on you SBW for being able to see the bigger picture….
26 Go to commentsThis sounds like a WWE idea so Americans can also get excited about rugby, RUGBY NEEDS A INTERNATIONAL CALENDER .. The rugby Championship and Six Nations can be held at same time, top 3 of six nations and top 3 of Rugby championship (6 nations should include Georgia AND another qualifying country while Fiji, Japan and Samoa/Tonga qualifier should make out 6 Southern teams).. Scrap June internationals and year end tours. Have a Elite top six Cup and the Bottom 6 in a secondary comp….
19 Go to commentsThe rugby championship would be even stronger with Fiji in it… I know it doesen’t fit the long term plans of NZ or Aus but you are robbing a whole nation of being able to see their best players play for Fiji…. Every second player in NZ and AUS teams has Fijian surnames… shame on you!!! World rugby won’t step in either as France and England has now also joined in…. I guess where money is involved it will always be the poor countries missing out….
86 Go to commentsNo surprise there. How hard can it be to pick a ball off the ground and chuck it to a mate? 😂
3 Go to commentsSometimes people just like a moan mate!
9 Go to commentsexcellent idea ! rugby needs this 💪
19 Go to comments9 Brumbies! What a joke! The best performing team in Oz! Ditch Skelton for Swain or Neville. Ryan Lonergan ahead of McDermott any day! Best selection bolter is Toole … amazing player
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